Ven Voisey - 8L

Visceral noise captured outside Ven Voisey's San Francisco apartment in 2002, plus a bonus multi-media file (.exe). Released by Nani Nani as a CDR in a limited edition of 100 copies.

Ven Voisey - 8L


Anonymous,  20 April 2014 at 17:22  

cool. man did you have the Slave State "Age Of Man" recording? im trying to find it everywhere but is impossible. Thannks alot for the Dissecting Table albums

badgerstump 20 April 2014 at 18:37  

Slave State appears to be racist shit, why would we post that?

Anonymous,  21 April 2014 at 12:23  

i used to think they were posing as racists just for provocation...i didnt know that they were in fact a bunch of real racist assholes,sorry.
(im half portorican myself)

badgerstump 21 April 2014 at 16:43  

no offense taken kronik. however, if they are white power fuckwits or just think it's cool to pretend that they are white power fuckwits ... is there really any difference? not as far as we are concerned.

Anonymous,  21 April 2014 at 17:25  

for what i can gather,as a matter of fact,at least one of them was a white power sympathizer .... but not politically just for aesthetic side of it - not unlike other noise outfits/bands. i understand your point,tho.... but wasnt provocation an act of sorts since the early industrial days? Its rather ambiguous but whatever....i'd listen to it as a provocative effort,no matters how stupid it may looks like. But hey its just me anyway

Mrs. Inside 21 April 2014 at 18:10  

There are very very few artists who can get away with that pose... Con-Dom, maybe?... but racism, and especially Nazism, is such a simplistic signifier of "power" within industrial music that it hardly matters. Too often, intentional ambiguity (such as with Genocide Organ, for example) has the effect of giving tacit permission to (mostly white, male) listeners to get off on prurient indulgence of "white power". I'd rather listen to Fela Kuti, who genuinely provoked power and started actual dialogue about politics. What has Brethren ever challenged, other than my patience? Oi gevult.

While it's true that sometimes boneheaded music made by boneheads can be enjoyable for what it is (har har, listen to those rednecks scream! they think that the majority is persecuted! and they own a synthesizer! Haw!!!), Badgerstump and I don't see the need to use Bleak Bliss to promote it. Folks like Grey Wolves seem to try to push buttons for a laugh (not that it's actually funny), but bands like that don't need our support here. Restating the enemy's words and images in the context of noise music is too one-dimensional even to work as provocation. Who's being provoked by a Blackshirt Orchestra tape? Not me. It's just dumb. Smell & Quim, now THERE's a funny noise band!

On the other hand:

badgerstump 21 April 2014 at 18:41  

Very well put Mrs Inside!

I completely concur with the Fela Kuti and Smell & Quim points as well.

There is a history of art as transgression and vice versa going back as long as human history. Transgression was certainly a theme within early industrial music (but not always).

Slave State were late '90s. What was their excuse? That ship had sailed. Not that they are the only ones...there are others who strike the same pose. That is obviously a conscious choice that they make. They are free to make that choice because we are relatively free. Check out the consequences of an authoritarian state that naturally arise from the agenda that they set. Seriously, we have all been here before. The bullshit that racists (or the pretend "ooohhh, look at me, I'm being dangerous and outsider") racists only demonstrates a failed education or an inability to be educated.

We will engage politically and personally in our daily lives. We don't use the blog to imprees or imprint others with our deeply held convictions. The real purpose of the blog is on the front page. We will never (knowingly) use this blog as a means to promote racism, homophobia or misogyny. We are not interested in what other people think about this. It reflects who we are and how we live our lives. It is that simple.

However, misanthropes and the occasional sociopath are more than welcome!

Anonymous,  22 April 2014 at 11:16  

very well put.i couldnt agree more with all you two sides,fuck slave state,im gonna jam with fela instead
cheers and keep it up

Anonymous,  22 April 2014 at 12:01  

fully support you Badgerstump.
racists - vulgar monkeys of Middle Ages


Anonymous,  22 April 2014 at 16:17  

good post